(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[Seong-Jin Kim, 7d  - Mateusz Surma, 1p]PW[Seong-Jin Kim]PB[Mateusz Surma]WR[7d]BR[1p]DT[2019-03-10]EV[European Grand Prix C-Bonus Points Tournament 2019]RO[4 (Final)]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[pp]
;W[cd]
;B[ec]
;W[pd]
;B[dq]
;W[qf]
;B[cn]C[EGF1 [?\]: тщ еруя фдкуфвя ыефкеуе иумщк
Shuei [4d\]: English please
EGF1 [?\]: sorry and no they already startet bevor
Shuei [4d\]: ok that's why thanks
]
;W[de]
;B[hc]
;W[jp]C[Shuei [4d\]: strange move
USSR1991 [4d\]: I think okay move
leachy [1k\]: i don't see how splitting is strange
USSR1991 [4d\]: maybe alphago would r3 instead
Hermes [7k\]: ok, whos winning?
leachy [1k\]: it seems the most popular response with the large knight enclosure 
Hermes [7k\]: Kageyama says thats good
Shuei [4d\]: strange in the actual meta I mean
Shuei [4d\]: usually it's more r3 or r6
Shuei [4d\]: k3 would be ok but k4 too high
Deodred [4d\]: w is not going to respond to H3 or M3 i think
Shuei [4d\]: yes I agree Deo
hvk [-\]: GGG
hvk [-\]: 2P/
Shuei [4d\]: otherwise B would get q6
hvk [-\]: NO 1P
]
;B[nc]C[leachy [1k\]: you mean "not 1p but 2p"?
Deodred [4d\]: what is the time setting for this game?
Hermes [7k\]: same as previous game I suppose
EGF1 [?\]: 60 min than 3 times 20 sec
Hermes [7k\]: 1h + 3x20
Deodred [4d\]: thx
Shuei [4d\]: q18
USSR1991 [4d\]: o3
Deodred [4d\]: maybe R3 too
Uberdude [6d\]: I think k4 is seongjin plan to ruin mateusz's bot opening preparation
EGF1 [?\]: white got out off his jacket now the game gets serious^^
Shuei [4d\]: lol x)
]
;W[nq]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: bot openings seems bad for go, its not as effective as chess since game last way longer
USSR1991 [4d\]: maybe having a few bot joseki up your sleeves
Shuei [4d\]: so finally seongjin removed his training weights
Uberdude [6d\]: better to have an advantage from the opening you may lose than no adavantage to lose
]
;B[gq]
;W[pn]C[Shuei [4d\]: hum seems good for W
USSR1991 [4d\]: surma just resorting to playing by instinct pre bot days
comments1: g3 is slightly bad, I think
Uberdude [6d\]: ignore o3 is quite botish
comments1: R6 was better
Shuei [4d\]: yes
USSR1991 [4d\]: why g3, instinct says you should defend q4 stone
Uberdude [6d\]: bots say double approach is not as big as we thought, but g3 not worth it
USSR1991 [4d\]: bots dont really like 2 space extensions
]
;B[on]C[Uberdude [6d\]: as predicted LZ doesnt like g3
Uberdude [6d\]: prefres r6
USSR1991 [4d\]: what about h3 vs g3?
Uberdude [6d\]: ignore an approach to 4-4 to approach a 3-4 is stanrad bot opening theory
comments1: My human me said the same thing.
]
;W[om]
;B[nn]C[Uberdude [6d\]: but ignore approach to make weird g3...
]
;W[pm]C[comments1: I guess B just wanted to try p6 amd o6 combi
]
;B[np]C[comments1: That's psychology
USSR1991 [4d\]: i dont see how this is good, p3 is such an annoying weakness
Uberdude [6d\]: h3 -2.5% isntead of -2.7% with LZ 207
Shuei [4d\]: p3
xDragon [?\]: Bot opinions are irrelevant normally esp in such a stage open to interpretation
comments1: W has to play P3
Uberdude [6d\]: no big diff
megaschaf [3k\]: Matheus black ?
xDragon [?\]: The percents are within a margin of error, doesn't matter much
gerg: yes
gerg: Matheus black
comments1: I guess W could theoretically invade at 3-3.
comments1: It's a style thing
Uberdude [6d\]: r3 p3 r4 n3 
EGF1 [?\]: well if i read seongs expression right than he was expecting g3 at least he nodded when mateusz played it
Uberdude [6d\]: reasonable for both
USSR1991 [4d\]: i would p3
USSR1991 [4d\]: but have to read after black n3
xDragon [?\]: I like r3 better but I don't think either move is a mistake
Uberdude [6d\]: then you have found the move LZ tihnks is better than r3 but needed 10k playouts to decide
Uberdude [6d\]: well done human brain
]
;W[mp]C[Shuei [4d\]: what move Uber
Uberdude [6d\]: black n3 would be shape collapse when white pushes p4
Uberdude [6d\]: ussr saying white p3
Uberdude [6d\]: is a little better than r3
comments1: p3 o5 p5 - probably this will lead to a ko
USSR1991 [4d\]: humans can train a strong neural network with just 5000 games
Shuei [4d\]: so what is the right move Uber?
USSR1991 [4d\]: no bots can do that
Uberdude [6d\]: w p3
Shuei [4d\]: ok I think it's not extraordinary then lol
Uberdude [6d\]: indeed, prety obvious bulge shape point
Shuei [4d\]: B p3 now 
Uberdude [6d\]: well, l3 was LZ's preference, Elfv2 prefres r3
Uberdude [6d\]: l3 trpo p3
Uberdude [6d\]: they both think this hane bad
]
;B[oq]C[Uberdude [6d\]: -33% says Elf =)
Uberdude [6d\]: so that's probably about -2 or 3 points
]
;W[no]C[Uberdude [6d\]: in Elf big swing land
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;B[oo]
;W[op]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: bots play so perfect, -2 points is a 33% swing
USSR1991 [4d\]: its like playing with 1/3rd less komi
Uberdude [6d\]: q15 is the threat
Shuei [4d\]: Uberdude no spoils please :)
ben0 [6d\]: no threat is big enough here
Uberdude [6d\]: this is one of those kos where you don't mind opp connecting the ko, you want to get the atari
ben0 [6d\]: instant win for w if he cuts q5
Uberdude [6d\]: right bem so if w connects black answers
ben0 [6d\]: yup
comments1: As predicted
]
;B[or]C[nobo [3d\]: just make go bigger
USSR1991 [4d\]: bots cant like this move lol
nobo [3d\]: what can go wrong
comments1: Hmmmm
nobo [3d\]: :D
nobo [3d\]: ko*
comments1: This ko is too expensive at the moment
]
;W[qp]C[comments1: W cannot cut at q5  because 
ben0 [6d\]: taking the ko once seems correct here
Uberdude [6d\]: mateusz thinking if he takes ko, w r3, n5 then p2 inefficient?
Uberdude [6d\]: but double ponnuki still great
ben0 [6d\]: I take the double ponnuki over the corner here
Uberdude [6d\]: right, but you can trick yourself with tewari, overthink it
ben0 [6d\]: but I guess seongjin would be satisfied as well with points
ben0 [6d\]: his style
comments1: P2 was very slow. Making a ko threat would have been much better 
comments1: e.g. at q15 
ben0 [6d\]: p2 looked fine, he is kinda challenging w with the ko, saying "you cannot fight it"
]
;B[np]
;W[mo]C[Shuei [4d\]: no double ponnukis :D
comments1: In return, if then connects, it is slow for W. OTOH, if W answers at r15, B will capture the ko and W MUST connect at N5. This is a difference of half a move IMHO.
]
;B[mq]C[Uberdude [6d\]: indeed comments
comments1: As you can see, P2/r4 exchange is very bad for B
USSR1991 [4d\]: even if black wins this ko, the p2 stone would look silly in the tewari analysis
USSR1991 [4d\]: and white can still r3
comments1: So B is desperately trying to force the issue now
Uberdude [6d\]: p4 q15 r15/p15  o4 n5 o2 
Hermes [7k\]: p2 looks like a 7k descend
Uberdude [6d\]: that is LZ sequence, force w to make inefficient connectionb 
ben0 [6d\]: well not really desperate, he gets a strong shape then r5 is still here
Uberdude [6d\]:  p4 q15 r15/p15  o4 n5 o2 p4 n6 d4 c3 e3 o4 c4 and fighting for sente, resisting connect the ko
ben0 [6d\]: do you really fight the ko here ? if w takes Im quite happy to double atari I think
comments1: B is trying to make W heavy so he can attack 
]
;W[lq]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: just r3 afterwards
comments1: p4 o2 q5 r5 would make W heavy
USSR1991 [4d\]: if o2
ben0 [6d\]: yup, take then r3
]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: hmm
ben0 [6d\]: oh
comments1: ???
comments1: Woah
USSR1991 [4d\]: cant black r5?
ben0 [6d\]: yup
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DoesntLose [8d\]: Sorry, how much is maintime?
megaschaf [3k\]: Tenuki ?
USSR1991 [4d\]: what are their ranks?
ben0 [6d\]: weird that he changed his mind
USSR1991 [4d\]: commentary is about knowledge + charm
comments1: Instead of N2, if W playes a "normal" move, B will immediately play ay M2
EGF1 [?\]: both players have little over 40 min left
ben0 [6d\]: m3 you mean I guess
DoesntLose [8d\]: EGF1 - Thank you kindly
melkhiresa [1k\]: n2 is pretty normal
comments1: B is a 2 p
comments1: W is stronger than that on paper
]
;B[qo]C[Uberdude [6d\]: ah tombstone?
USSR1991 [4d\]: white can still get something with s5?
Deodred [4d\]: i  don't understand w plan
]
;W[po]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: oh nvm
USSR1991 [4d\]: i see
HanTuyet [2d\]: no n7?
HanTuyet [2d\]: to*
USSR1991 [4d\]: white's plan is to make black very inefficient 
comments1: W wants to squueze from both sides
USSR1991 [4d\]: use a lot of stones to accomplish little
]
;B[ro]C[comments1: s4 r3 s6 is the most aggressive now
]
;W[qq]C[comments1: s5 is similar
comments1: s7 now
Uberdude [6d\]: heh, LV says r5 just r3 and gote s3 was better
Uberdude [6d\]: don't make w so think on outside even if get few more points
bert [?\]: would have loved to get r8, but...
comments1: B is thinking about playing S4 or S7
nobo [3d\]: just r8
nobo [3d\]: b is strong
Uberdude [6d\]: w is going to try to build amiai based on n7 net
Uberdude [6d\]: and will outread b, my prediction
comments1: r8 is probably surely wrong
bert [?\]: that net depends on ko
comments1: r8 r7 s7 s8 
USSR1991 [4d\]: r8 feels thin
Uberdude [6d\]: r8 s7
comments1: r8 s7 r7 r6 s6 s8 s9 r9 q8 s10 q9 r10 o7 ladder
]
;B[rm]
;W[rl]C[comments1: s7 is the safest move
Uberdude [6d\]: eg r8 s7 r7 r6 s6 r7 r6 s6 s8 s9 o7 then n6 and r9 miai
bert [?\]: can b tenuki after s6 r8 ?
comments1: no
comments1: s4 s3 r2 s2 q3 now, I guess
nobo [3d\]: now what though
]
;B[qr]C[nobo [3d\]: if not r8
nobo [3d\]: this seems very inefficient
DoesntLose [8d\]: R2 is what Leela Zero recommended
DoesntLose [8d\]: bO7 was a close second behind bR2
USSR1991 [4d\]: sometimes you have no coice but be inefficient 
comments1: basically the same
Uberdude [6d\]: if you capture corner and w doesn't squeeze at s6 but s8
Uberdude [6d\]: that is an improvement on the tombstone sequence
comments1: It depends how you define efficiency
Uberdude [6d\]: u have cut/peep at r9
DoesntLose [8d\]: LZ says to take wN7, but it's very complicated
DoesntLose [8d\]: wR7 also a close choice
]
;W[rr]
;B[pq]
;W[qs]
;B[rq]
;W[pr]
;B[rp]
;W[qr]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: hmmm
miaoDD: this doesn´t look good for white
EGF1 [?\]: they really played thatt fast
Uberdude [6d\]: now b gets to avoid being sealed
HanTuyet [2d\]: all these moves just to n7? 
megaschaf [3k\]: So.ething like m7 ?
megaschaf [3k\]: N7
Uberdude [6d\]: n6
Uberdude [6d\]: take a lib
DoesntLose [8d\]: EGF1 - Thanks for the direct timing insight! Was curious if it was just relayed fast
]
;B[mn]C[miaoDD: white is losing big time already i think...
megaschaf [3k\]: Whitch side would u choose diesnt loose ?
ben0 [6d\]: no trouble with t3 ?
nobo [3d\]: r7 and w should be fine
bert [?\]: kibitz doesn't lose
DoesntLose [8d\]: wS2 can't win semeai against bS3
]
;W[qm]
;B[rn]C[DoesntLose [8d\]: I wish we could see white's strategy more clearly going forward
DoesntLose [8d\]: Let me clean up my rank during kibitz
DoesntLose [-\]: There
miaoDD: this is just sad
bert [?\]: better, but [?\] is the ultimate
Uberdude [6d\]: 30k is ultimate
Uberdude [6d\]: i made one of those buy nyanilla deranked me
HanTuyet [2d\]: 30? is ultimate
HanTuyet [2d\]: 30k? *
miaoDD: it is a rank hard to achieve
Uberdude [6d\]: just draw flowers vs idiot bot
miaoDD: haha
miaoDD: no idea what to do as white here
miaoDD: at all
EGF1 [?\]: @Uberdude lol^^
miaoDD: besides crying
bert [?\]: you should have explained to nyan you need the rank for kibitzing purposes
]
;W[sm]C[DoesntLose [-\]: b must answer T7 with a semeai response towards capturing wR1
Hermes [7k\]: they should make kibitz ranks
Hermes [7k\]: ask thecaptain how to win a semeai
LoveLilou [4d\]: no brand plz
DoesntLose [-\]: b can play something sente before getting back to responding to T7
Uberdude [6d\]: maybe tihnking to r9 first?
Uberdude [6d\]: but maybe you can cut later
USSR1991 [4d\]: no
Uberdude [6d\]: feels aji keshi
]
;B[os]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: r9 thankyou move
DoesntLose [-\]: bR9 was LZ's highest rated non-semeai move by far
]
;W[ln]C[Uberdude [6d\]: p1 cos scared of ko?
Shuei [4d\]: yes…
EGF1 [?\]: time black 28 min white 34min
Uberdude [6d\]: doent it lose a few points though
]
;B[lm]C[DoesntLose [-\]: bP1 because wT2 wins the semeai if b doesn't respond to T7, isn't it?
]
;W[kn]C[Uberdude [6d\]: my question is why not b t2
DoesntLose [-\]: Ah
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ said bT3 and bT2 were also perfectly fine alternates to P1
Uberdude [6d\]: or t3
Deodred [4d\]: because if w p1 its a many step ko?
Shuei [4d\]: bc w p1 makes ko
Uberdude [6d\]: if you dont want that throw in
leachy [1k\]: yeah i don't know...t2 denying an eye was the obvious move
DoesntLose [-\]: bP1 puts some cash down towards wN4 stones stability, though
]
;B[ml]C[DoesntLose [-\]: towards threatening*
Shuei [4d\]: not at all
DoesntLose [-\]: You don't think so?
leachy [1k\]: throw-in and ko was certainly less clear at least
melkhiresa [1k\]: I'd rather have p1 than t2, it's cleaner
melkhiresa [1k\]: eye doesn't do r2 any good, still dies
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;W[pj]C[leachy [1k\]: also i guess it helps later endgame moves of n1 and m2
comments1: B has two basic options now
LieKolchin [4k\]: so, what's your opinion about this outcome ?
bert [?\]: r9 
comments1: 1. Left side extension around C12 or C13
Uberdude [6d\]: l7 push is a locally important shape
comments1: 2. Play at q17 to settle the top right.
Uberdude [6d\]: basically double sente
]
;B[pc]C[comments1: OK, 
DoesntLose [-\]: Black has many options now, board is open after wQ10
comments1: L7 has a strategic importance to establish center hegemony
Uberdude [6d\]: g3 not looking so bad now after all!
ben0 [6d\]: well L7 is less bigger for b, cause of o3 capture
]
;W[qc]
;B[qb]C[ben0 [6d\]: if w can hane k7 then the push is not that interesting
]
;W[oc]
;B[pb]
;W[od]
;B[ob]
;W[rc]
;B[nd]C[comments1: I think I would have chosen Q17 because it gives the least chances to W to complicate the game
]
;W[id]C[comments1: B is far ahead at this point.
comments1: B has two basic options: J17 and H16
comments1: J17 is the safest option
comments1: the center is not worth a lot, so safety is the no. issue
comments1: no. 1 issue
Hermes [7k\]: L16?
USSR1991 [4d\]: l16 is a very kyute move
comments1: B is just thinking about the two options I gave, I think
Hermes [7k\]: j17 is not small ?
]
;B[hd]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: white misplayed on bottom 
USSR1991 [4d\]: should study joseki more with LZ
]
;W[if]C[Muttley [-\]: I studied joseki with Leela and she told me to take up golf
comments1: Nah, I think B p2 was slow and W played R4 to punish it.
comments1: B wants to play H15 now, but also O14 is important
bert [?\]: w is stong
]
;B[nq]C[Muttley [-\]: lol
ben0 [6d\]: what ?
EGF1 [?\]: no mistake reall move
USSR1991 [4d\]: tanuki!
Muttley [-\]: black dropped a stone on the board and there it stayed
Deodred [4d\]: so weird
bert [?\]: the scribe is fooling with us again...
Muttley [-\]: white is about to experience The Power Of Poland
TheThe [4k\]: looks good to me, so probably 4k move
]
;W[lr]C[Muttley [-\]: looks bad to me, so probably 4k move
USSR1991 [4d\]: i feel if you accidentally drop a stone, there is a low probability it wold land on o3, it would've splash the stones all over the place there
hvk [-\]: What is the white name of KGS
]
;B[km]
;W[jn]C[Deodred [4d\]: does that show mateus knows he is very ahead and feels a lot of pressure?
hvk [-\]: ?
Muttley [-\]: Sorry THeThe, couldn't resist :D
ben0 [6d\]: I dont understannnnnnnnd
rats [1k?\]: yes, i was also surprised, maybe scribe is trolling us
ben0 [6d\]: nothing makes seeeeeense
comments1: Beats me
q11 [4d\]: how about w l7 turn instead m2?
miaoDD: meatheusz bot going crazy
bigwave [8k\]: strange moves 
Muttley [-\]: I thnk "no ko threats here now
USSR1991 [4d\]: well it kind of make sense
q11 [4d\]: it makes sense now he got l7 push and w couldn't hane
TheThe [4k\]: no problem mutt, I was inviting it ;-)
]
;B[ci]C[Muttley [-\]: hehehe :D
USSR1991 [4d\]: i think h15
ben0 [6d\]: so yeah b got the n7 push but it fixed everything in w shape
ben0 [6d\]: cannot be good
ben0 [6d\]: l7*
goraffe [10k?\]: you wanted play the ko with black?
USSR1991 [4d\]: ko was meaningless
goraffe [10k?\]: w takes , b connect, w is safe
bigwave [8k\]: j17 and n18 later?
USSR1991 [4d\]: d6
USSR1991 [4d\]: thats the pro move
ben0 [6d\]: just not playing anything was better
bert [?\]: today i went to a store, and they had some ambient music playing, and the singer went: "he came uninviteeeed..." 
USSR1991 [4d\]: i bet LZ would D6
bigwave [8k\]: c3 or j17 my guess
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ would H15, but in the bottom left LZ loves D5 and D4, actually
HanTuyet [2d\]: c3 is quite tempting to try
]
;W[ld]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: well h15 is standard
DoesntLose [-\]: D6 also within LZ's "I'm totally happy with this" category
miaoDD: h16 is sus
USSR1991 [4d\]: since black should have h15
comments1: B is giving W a achance
ben0 [6d\]: I dont like m16
bigwave [8k\]: h15 looks bad, B is thick in m8 and that wall would be worthless, no?
bigwave [8k\]: better split and fight 
ben0 [6d\]: lets say b answers n18, I dont see what it achieved
ben0 [6d\]: and closing the center is worthless
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;B[nf]C[bigwave [8k\]: m16 is strange move to me 
comments1: O14 is the fighting move
bigwave [8k\]: o14 is must 
ben0 [6d\]: yeah, not sure it's needed tho
miaoDD: yeah m16
miaoDD: i meant
comments1: But as ben pointed out, B n18 is safer
bigwave [8k\]: w is not alive in center 
Muttley [-\]: m16 asking black "how do you plan on living without being submissive?"
bert [?\]: b wanted o14 anyway, m16 just made him take it
USSR1991 [4d\]: m16 is bad, black is super thick, its like using your first to attack a steel wall
USSR1991 [4d\]: fist*
DoesntLose [-\]: b has to worry about both H17 and O17
bigwave [8k\]: n18 now bad?
comments1: yes, and no @bert
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ loves N18
ben0 [6d\]: I dont think he puts that much sexual tension in the question, Muttley, but sure
]
;W[mb]
;B[nb]C[bigwave [8k\]: yes!
miaoDD: haha
comments1: W wants to play d17 now
miaoDD: ben nailing it ;D
DoesntLose [-\]: Well, LZ wants to play D17 :)
comments1: maybe, somehow he can attack h17 AND o18 
bigwave [8k\]: q12 slow?
EGF1 [?\]: time b 14 min, w 22 min
miaoDD: me too
Zenbeggar [2d\]: what are percentages?
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;W[he]C[DoesntLose [-\]: wH15, wJ17 also reasonable according to LZ
miaoDD: i would d17 e16 c13
ZeNit [?\]: 100% certain someone will win
DoesntLose [-\]: wH15 was LZ's second favorite move, just behind wD17
]
;B[ic]
;W[jd]C[DoesntLose [-\]: ZeNit - What are the tournament's triple ko rules?
USSR1991 [4d\]: c18
bigwave [8k\]: q11?
bigwave [8k\]: chinese move
miaoDD: tripple ko is a jigo
comments1: the game has to be replayed
ZeNit [?\]: I changed my mind, 99% certain someone will win
ZeNit [?\]: ;)
DoesntLose [-\]: I agree with ZeNit's assessment :)
comments1: 99.99%
Zenbeggar [2d\]: to me b seems a bit ahead
comments1: Only 1in less than 1000 games.
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ likw bL18 now, but LZ also says every other move on the board is a super safe win, too
comments1: I know of 3 games only
USSR1991 [4d\]: was the push of l7 for k6 actually any good?
DoesntLose [-\]: bF16 also as good as bL18, according to LZ
USSR1991 [4d\]: l7 questionable utility at best
comments1: c18 takes a bit of courage but it is probably the best move objectively
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ like L7 push (and obvious wK6 extension) best for black, though b could have equally played H15 or J15 instead, at a minimum
]
;B[cb]C[comments1: My other choice would be l18 - but that is a strictly human choice
DoesntLose [-\]: USSR1991 - What would you play instead of bL7? Local or tenuki?
]
;W[fd]
;B[fc]
;W[cl]C[elohimmeth [2d\]: c9 
USSR1991 [4d\]: well i think i would have left o3 alone and played elsewhere
Zenbeggar [2d\]: mateusz on a roll?
comments1: HAHA, W is pretending to attack
USSR1991 [4d\]: instead of o3 to set up l7
DoesntLose [-\]: Also fair, USSR1991
USSR1991 [4d\]: well no better move
]
;B[cg]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ waited wG16 overwhelmingly, though expected b to tenuki
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ wanted*
]
;W[gd]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Instead of wC8
comments1: OK, obvious choices are d9 , e11 , and c13 or c14 
]
;B[gc]C[DoesntLose [-\]: White is listening to our kibitz
]
;W[eg]C[comments1: I am chicken, so I would have played at d9 
bigwave [8k\]: d9?
comments1: Instead of c13 
tappaiyok [5k?\]: how much time do they have left?
EGF1 [?\]: b 8min, w 21 min
USSR1991 [4d\]: well if youre behind you want to try something more ambitious than d0
tappaiyok [5k?\]: thank you
miaoDD: c8 c13 created added value though no?
USSR1991 [4d\]: d9
USSR1991 [4d\]: so c8 is fine
YoungPro [7d\]: Are there any other boards being broadcasted?
bigwave [8k\]: c8 is occupied
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ favors bE11 the most, but also almost any other move on the board, too
comments1: no
comments1: @YoungPro
DoesntLose [-\]: bE10, bG14, bD9 are some of LZ's other top choices instead of bE11 now
bigwave [8k\]: d5?
comments1: B can play at e11 or d9 now
DoesntLose [-\]: comments1 - Where are your comments coming from?
awdadwa: what about E12?
comments1: My comments are coming from my brain
DoesntLose [-\]: bD5 also fine, bigwave, according to LZ
DoesntLose [-\]: comments1 - Ah, thanks
USSR1991 [4d\]: how can you trust your brain though
comments1: Can't
USSR1991 [4d\]: no internal policy network
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ loves every black move right now DDK level and higher
comments1: But the last time I played YoungPro, I still beat him.
bigwave [8k\]: does LZ show f14? 
USSR1991 [4d\]: that might be too ddk
Mariusz [3k\]: jak to było - jak czarny ma wszystkie 4 rogi to przegrywa?
Muttley [-\]: Good, because I want to play B18 here
DoesntLose [-\]: bA1 leaves LZ in a winning position. If black passes, LZ believes the game is back to equal.
Muttley [-\]: Does it like B18?  I like B18
Hermes [7k\]: hehe
comments1: B18 is way too early
bigwave [8k\]: d5 looks touth
DoesntLose [-\]: B18 leads to jigo situation
bigwave [8k\]: tough
Muttley [-\]: lol
]
;B[dk]C[comments1: e11 is the most "normal" I think
Muttley [-\]: ok, fight night
USSR1991 [4d\]: standard
bigwave [8k\]: ok this was obv
DoesntLose [-\]: USSR1991 called this
bigwave [8k\]: c3?
DoesntLose [-\]: C4
]
;W[co]C[DoesntLose [-\]: wC5 also fine, as well as wD8
]
;B[cp]C[Muttley [-\]: any advance on c4?  c5 it is.
comments1: I called it a long time ago, instead of C13
bigwave [8k\]: b5?
comments1: The c13 e13 exchange is not very good for B
USSR1991 [4d\]: you dont have an internal policy network to assess that
Muttley [-\]: d5 and be a happy bunny
indianayk [3d\]: his feeling or intuition
comments1: Nah, that might or might not be true
USSR1991 [4d\]: bots play this game with math, we just use feelings
DoesntLose [-\]: wB5 also works "fine", but wD5 much better
comments1: I am pretty sure the bot believes that the lower right is a kind of KO
comments1: you can trust a bot only that far.
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says R1 is dead
DoesntLose [-\]: I asked her yesterday
ojei78: m14 o12 o15 
bigwave [8k\]: d8?
Muttley [-\]: unless you're building a second line moyo, force your opponent to grovel on the second line
DoesntLose [-\]: I agree with that, comments1
DoesntLose [-\]: Muttley - Haha, not even 2nd line territory. A 2nd line moyo
Muttley [-\]: ikr :D
ZeNit [?\]: 2nd line moyos are my favorite moyos
USSR1991 [4d\]: why not first line moyo
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ actually believes wB5 is equally as good as wD5 here
DoesntLose [-\]: It's small life, but inside otherwise safe black territory
ZeNit [?\]: that would be way too inefficient, USSR1991
DoesntLose [-\]: And leaves w with opportunity to still pick up stones elsewhere on the board after finishing here
ZeNit [?\]: clearly
miaoDD: was c5 best?
miaoDD: i would go for c4 here i guess
DoesntLose [-\]: wC5 was one of LZ's top 3 moves. wC4 was LZ's top move, but not by much
miaoDD: ha
DoesntLose [-\]: wD8 was the other "top 3" move in place of wC5
miaoDD: miao0 :D
ojei78: k10 
ojei78: XD
miaoDD: i somehow wanna play b5 d5 c7 here
DoesntLose [-\]: K10 is disastrous for white's kibitz potential
DoesntLose [-\]: miaoDD - Become a high-ranking European amateur or pro and you can, too
bigwave [8k\]: lunch time? why not playing?
miaoDD: i am a eu 6d :)
DoesntLose [-\]: miaoDD - LZ really doesn't like wC7 in your sequence there
USSR1991 [4d\]: you have to create a situation where there are too much aji to evaluate correctly to beat a bot, like Lee Sedol vs Alphago game 4
miaoDD: i had a feeling c7 is not good
miaoDD: but i just wanted to make it work
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says your wC7 as third move leave white with even smaller life on left than it otherwise could have gotten
]
;W[dl]C[bigwave [8k\]: yes!
miaoDD: now d5?
DoesntLose [-\]: It doesn't not work, but your sequence was less points in LZ's opinion :)
bigwave [8k\]: no, B will chicken to tenuki 
miaoDD: i didn´t like to exchange here
USSR1991 [4d\]: d5 is simple
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ likes bD5 the best, but bQ13 is an unusual tenuki
DoesntLose [-\]: bQ13 or bR9 are equally high-rated tenuki moves instead of bD5 now
miaoDD: q13 r13 q11 r11 p11?
]
;B[do]
;W[ek]C[miaoDD: but d5 is huge
comments1: d5 is slightly dangerous
DoesntLose [-\]: miaoDD - connect or R13 in your sequence instead of P11
]
;B[ck]C[comments1: But it is very big
miaoDD: ic
DoesntLose [-\]: miaoDD - But P11 is still a winning move by far
bigwave [8k\]: I don't see W points in this game 
bigwave [8k\]: what is LZ %? 
sprouts [2d\]: # open your eyes
bigwave [8k\]: t1 is ko?
miaoDD: i might have tried c9 instead of e9
miaoDD: the situation seems grim to me
comments1: I guess LZ would evaluate it as 90% for B
DoesntLose [-\]: bigwave - Black is human and can still make a mistake
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says bC9 is less than optimal
bigwave [8k\]: sure can make mistake, but what is LZ % now? 
DoesntLose [-\]: bE10 or bQ13 were vastly more favored
dfeldmann [5d\]: But his opponent is human too
]
;W[el]
;B[bl]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ win percent is so high it is "certain win for black"
miaoDD: yeah
miaoDD: no idea how to come back here
ojei78: h8 
USSR1991 [4d\]: almost surely almost certain?
bigwave [8k\]: B can't lose this game, he is a pro 
DoesntLose [-\]: bigwave - Game would be even if b played A1 instead of B8 just now
bigwave [8k\]: this is game over I think 
DoesntLose [-\]: It's pretty grim, big point different
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ favors wP13 now
miaoDD: p13 wow
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ loves wP13 so much.
Hermes [7k\]: w p13 looks big
miaoDD: i am not sure if i could play p13 here
comments1: P13 is a sure loss
DoesntLose [-\]: wD10, wE11, wN10, wQ13 are LZ's "second choices" instead of wP13. But it loves wP13
bigwave [8k\]: p13 is logical, W has to attack and kill something to win
]
;W[og]C[miaoDD: wooow
bigwave [8k\]: so he will attack everything now and cut everywhere
miaoDD: impressed :D
DoesntLose [-\]: I told you, white is watching these kibitz comments
USSR1991 [4d\]: he has LZ installed in his phone
ZeNit [?\]: or his head
comments1: Now B will just push and solidify his position
DoesntLose [-\]: b has to respond with any move DDK level or higher to win, though. According to cold, calculating LZ
]
;B[ng]C[ouzfkzxckg: Watch live commentary with Stephen HU and Jeff SU on www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation too!
DoesntLose [-\]: bO9 is LZ's favored move
EGF1 [?\]: b in byo yomi now
DoesntLose [-\]: bO13 also highly rated
]
;W[oh]C[EGF1 [?\]: 2 periods left
DoesntLose [-\]: 2x30sec?
]
;B[nh]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: o9 was interesting
USSR1991 [4d\]: indeed
ben0 [6d\]: the game got pretty boring after the weird sequence on the bottom right
EGF1 [?\]: no, 2x 20 s
DoesntLose [-\]: w just picked up some points now
EGF1 [?\]: he already lost 1 period
bigwave [8k\]: L11?
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says black should play E11 *now*
DoesntLose [-\]: I mean white
bigwave [8k\]: oh, 20 sec only is bad
DoesntLose [-\]: White should play E11 *now*
]
;W[hr]
;B[hq]
;W[iq]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: why not j2
]
;B[ir]C[anarchia: could white attack black`s group instead of playing p13?
DoesntLose [-\]: I didn't have time to look at all variants other than wE11, but LZ still wants white to play E11 at the *first* available opportunity
]
;W[jr]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: a19
]
;B[gr]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ wanted wG2 instead of wK2
DoesntLose [-\]: Important yose
DoesntLose [-\]: wG2 bF2 wK2
]
;W[ei]C[dabe005 [-\]: who's winning for leela?
phuzen [?\]: time pressure
DoesntLose [-\]: bG2 not urgent
anarchia: my brain says k11
gerg: black
DoesntLose [-\]: wE11 is LZ's move
]
;B[ih]
;W[kh]C[DoesntLose [-\]: White is certainly in tune with LZ's intuition
USSR1991 [4d\]: lol
USSR1991 [4d\]: instant
sh [3k\]: Doesn't lose is a 9d
]
;B[ij]
;W[bm]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says... yes wB7
miaoDD: doesn´t lose is very strong
miaoDD: i saw his games :)
]
;B[bk]
;W[cm]
;B[bn]
;W[dn]C[DoesntLose [-\]: I'm not strong, why do you think I turned my rank off for kibitz
conque [?\]: is LZ already strong than the facebook ELF?
]
;B[am]
;W[bo]
;B[an]C[sh [3k\]: I wonder that doesn't lose
]
;W[eo]
;B[dp]C[bigwave [8k\]: LZ is stronger for 3 months or more already
DoesntLose [-\]: w just gained some *serious* cash
]
;W[ji]C[Shuei [4d\]: j10 not well connected
McCormick [1k\]: where do you guys get the information on the strength of ais?
]
;B[fh]C[Shuei [4d\]: LZ never been stronger then ELF btw
DoesntLose [-\]: conque - Yes, has been for several months
USSR1991 [4d\]: this move is a throw
]
;W[fi]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Shuei - LZ has been stronger in real time parity than Elfv0, Elfv1, and Elfv2 for a few months already
bigwave [8k\]: LZ is stronger than ELF for a long time already 
ZeNit [?\]: is this how black loses the game?
]
;B[gh]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: well
USSR1991 [4d\]: probably not
bigwave [8k\]: yes, this is how B loses the game 
USSR1991 [4d\]: he'll have to die
USSR1991 [4d\]: only a kyu can die here
miaoDD: i want my alphaqueen back 
Shuei [4d\]: Elfv2 is recents, how can it be stronger for "few months" lol… 
bigwave [8k\]: playing strange stuff and dying on top right 
DoesntLose [-\]: Black not in danger of losing yet
MatveiV [12k\]: HI
]
;W[dh]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Black has to lose too many points and there are only so many moves left
yugen [1k\]: K 9 for w
Uberdude [6d\]: LZ is stronger than Elfv2 at short time parity, but weaker at long time parity
]
;B[hk]C[Shuei [4d\]: and no elfv2 strongest AI :)
]
;W[ch]C[MatveiV [12k\]: HI
comments1: ouch, ouch
]
;B[bh]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: stronger than tencent?
Shuei [4d\]: no lol 
USSR1991 [4d\]: tencent bot won AI tournament
]
;W[bi]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: and unbeatable in fox
Shuei [4d\]: Was talking of free bots
comments1: B is bleeding points
MatveiV [12k\]: HI
miaoDD: what is tencent
bert [?\]: d11 
awdadwa: w catching up
]
;B[bj]C[gerg:  I bet on white
USSR1991 [4d\]: tencent is chinese bot
ZeNit [?\]: tencent is the company behind Fine Art
miaoDD: ah
]
;W[ni]C[bigwave [8k\]: 2019-02-13 11:11	05dbca15   VS  05d10f27 34 : 62 (35.42%)
]
;B[rb]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: if black loses he should retire
miaoDD: thanks ussr
Uberdude [6d\]: gigwave, that is visit parity so LZ has twice the time
DoesntLose [-\]: bigwave - Those results are based on visits, not time parity
gobb [5d\]: b13 now?
DoesntLose [-\]: Not equal time settings for both sides in that match result
USSR1991 [4d\]: hmm
yugen [1k\]: T 18
USSR1991 [4d\]: white shouldve s18
USSR1991 [4d\]: lol
bigwave [8k\]: is v2 40B?
DoesntLose [-\]: Black is doing a good job of ceding points to white. But he won't give up enough to white
yugen [1k\]: only 1 eye for b
DoesntLose [-\]: bigwave - No, Elfv2 is 20x256 (unlike 20x224 before)
]
;W[jl]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ really wants white to play B13
DoesntLose [-\]: wB13 ASAP
USSR1991 [4d\]: but does b13 win?
gobb [5d\]: black has m17
yugen [1k\]: B 13 not important
]
;B[jg]C[bigwave [8k\]: so what would be a fair game between LZ and ELF v2?
comments1: My god
comments1: B is trying to lose the game
]
;W[kg]
;B[jf]C[DoesntLose [-\]: wT18 is interesting
yugen [1k\]: yes
yugen [1k\]: what i said
bigwave [8k\]: t18 m17?
DoesntLose [-\]: bigwave - Equal time settings for both sides is what we'd consider fair for most purposes
yugen [1k\]: either kill O 16 or H 9 group
]
;W[kf]
;B[jj]
;W[kj]C[DoesntLose [-\]: black is doing fine
DoesntLose [-\]: Though not optimal
]
;B[kk]
;W[jk]C[comments1: I am getting worried
DoesntLose [-\]: White seems to be outplaying black move-for-move. But wR2 weighed down the entire game
]
;B[hm]C[yugen [1k\]: kill one of b groups
ZeNit [?\]: run B, run!
Uberdude [6d\]: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?p=241779#p241779 here are some tests at time parity with elfv2 beating recent LZ
DoesntLose [-\]: Oh, I'm sorry, my statements above are wrong
USSR1991 [4d\]: had to kill lol
bigwave [8k\]: top group is alive
USSR1991 [4d\]: hard to kill
DoesntLose [-\]: The game has MASSIVELY returned to near equal terms
USSR1991 [4d\]: if a ddk took over, black would die
]
;W[il]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ really likes wT18
]
;B[hl]
;W[hn]C[ZeNit [?\]: the empty triangle of death
Shuei [4d\]: t18 is big endgame classical move…
DoesntLose [-\]: b can connect or get an eye (most likely) but not without slanting the game in white's favor more
]
;B[lj]
;W[ki]
;B[gn]
;W[ho]C[DoesntLose [-\]: The game is very close right now, but b still edging out and opportunities disappearing
]
;B[fm]
;W[go]C[miaoDD: ko?
tappaiyok [5k?\]: how much time?
DoesntLose [-\]: This game will be won or lost in 2x30sec byo-yomi
]
;B[en]
;W[em]
;B[fn]C[miaoDD: how did this happen
]
;W[fo]
;B[dm]
;W[sr]C[Hermes [7k\]: while you were talikng about bots
ZeNit [?\]: I think it's 20 sec per byo yomi period?
Shuei [4d\]: bc B did j12 too deeply to erase W moyo
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says "ko doesn't matter, white should still play wB13 ASAP
]
;B[sq]C[yugen [1k\]: no
]
;W[dn]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Actually, LZ really hates wT2
miaoDD: really?
]
;B[gf]C[yugen [1k\]: b 13 not important
Shuei [4d\]: hum
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ thinks wT2 killed white's chances completely
USSR1991 [4d\]: what was better
Shamash [?\]: why
Hermes [7k\]: h13
miaoDD: wow
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ wanted wB13 bA11 and eventually wC14 later
]
;W[ii]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Instead of T2
]
;B[hi]
;W[bg]C[miaoDD: t2 is very human
]
;B[dm]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Reading our kibitz comments
USSR1991 [4d\]: what the heck
DoesntLose [-\]: wA12 game is even
DoesntLose [-\]: Or B+1.5 or so
USSR1991 [4d\]: yeah a12
USSR1991 [4d\]: and then t18
]
;W[fq]
;B[ge]C[DoesntLose [-\]: bD7 was a very poor move at this stage
MatveiV [12k\]: 989N
DoesntLose [-\]: bF3 also bad. Should have been wA12
leachy [1k\]: omg this is quick for such big decisions
USSR1991 [4d\]: either way surma will be drinking after this game
DoesntLose [-\]: G15 not best, but wA12 still keeps white in the running
USSR1991 [4d\]: either because of victory or sadness for the throw
EGF1 [?\]: w in byo yomi now, too
miaoDD: this is getting random
DoesntLose [-\]: w can play some forcing moves like wG10 or wJ13
MatveiV [12k\]: f9
ZeNit [?\]: we blitz now, boys
yugen [1k\]: ah, now b can kill w
leachy [1k\]: according to your engine, doesnlose, which is probably wrong anyway
DoesntLose [-\]: Maybe not wJ13, scratch that
yugen [1k\]: L 14 group
]
;W[ig]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: what
]
;B[ai]C[leachy [1k\]: a11
]
;W[cf]C[weiqidevil [-\]: how reliable are the percentages of Leela in human games?
bert [?\]: bF3 will never be wA12
DoesntLose [-\]: wC14, huge loss of yose for white
leachy [1k\]: lol this is really all over the shop
]
;B[bf]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: what
]
;W[ag]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: this loses points lol
bigwave [8k\]: =))))
DoesntLose [-\]: Yes
bigwave [8k\]: byomi style?
DoesntLose [-\]: Even in chinese rules
leachy [1k\]: the white group is in danger though
USSR1991 [4d\]: no
]
;B[eh]
;W[di]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: fake danger
DoesntLose [-\]: b is in the lead by less than komi points
USSR1991 [4d\]: like cnn
leachy [1k\]: maybe but it gives ko threats
]
;B[fr]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says "ko now!"
]
;W[bb]C[DoesntLose [-\]: This is also fine
YoungPro [7d\]: I stream a review on this one https://www.twitch.tv/explorebaduk 
Hermes [7k\]: Muttley's move
ben0 [6d\]: b is leading with komi ? that's pretty impressive when you're black
DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says ko was much better than wB18 though
]
;B[cc]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Oh, Muttley's move
]
;W[bc]C[Muttley [-\]: lol
Muttley [-\]: and even better, it's on TWO secocnd lines!
]
;B[ed]C[leachy [1k\]: b d16 ?
DoesntLose [-\]: wT18 puts white in the lead
]
;W[jh]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Other alternative moves possible
USSR1991 [4d\]: maybe ko was impossible to win
DoesntLose [-\]: This is not best
]
;B[pk]C[ZeNit [?\]: :o
]
;W[ok]
;B[oj]C[ben0 [6d\]: ah we are losing mateusz
USSR1991 [4d\]: trying to throw lol
leachy [1k\]: so much for using your time...this is more blitzy than my kgs blitz games
miaoDD: lol
DoesntLose [-\]: USSR1991 - I'm not 100% satisfied that LZ figured out the right answer to the ko in time when I said w should play it
ben0 [6d\]: now comes the random cross cuts
comments1: I think B just lost
]
;W[nk]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says b is losing
USSR1991 [4d\]: lol
DoesntLose [-\]: W+2.5 or 3.5, estimating
USSR1991 [4d\]: thats because he overplays
]
;B[pi]C[anarchia: i think we all lost watching blitz game
comments1: This is mochikomi
ben0 [6d\]: he just lost so many pts in 2 moves
]
;W[oi]C[ZeNit [?\]: "can you read this?" "oh"
]
;B[qj]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: going way too deep and getting cut
]
;W[ql]C[DoesntLose [-\]: ZeNit - Lol
comments1: Of course, we can read this
DoesntLose [-\]: White is responding with perfect LZ responses
]
;B[rf]C[bigwave [8k\]: W + res?
USSR1991 [4d\]: lol
miaoDD: uncharacteristic
DoesntLose [-\]: bS14 isn't bad
]
;W[qg]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: this loses points in theory
USSR1991 [4d\]: because s15
ZeNit [?\]: He turned into Alphago :o
USSR1991 [4d\]: but maybe this is better for aji reasons
]
;B[qe]
;W[pe]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ likes bS14 just fine
]
;B[pf]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says wS15 cut
]
;W[re]
;B[qh]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ says this is a certain gain for white
leachy [1k\]: wow so quick
]
;W[rg]C[DoesntLose [-\]: LZ thinks the game is as lost for black as it was for white 150 moves ago
USSR1991 [4d\]: ok
Shuei [4d\]: LZ says destroy your computer DoesntLose
leachy [1k\]: imagine the pressure seong-jin must feel
bigwave [8k\]: I say B is dead anyway :) 
]
;B[nj]C[ben0 [6d\]: hard to live in the panties
ben0 [6d\]: too small
]
;W[mj]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: i wonder if any pro threw a game so bad, they retired aftrwards
]
;B[pj]C[Welvang [7d\]: and stocking ?
DoesntLose [-\]: White is playing better moves far more consistently than black since they both entered byo-yomi
bigwave [8k\]: maximum gain is semedori 
]
;W[mk]
;B[oe]C[comments1: B misread
ben0 [6d\]: in korean baduk league, you see some pros losing 90% won games
ben0 [6d\]: that happens
DoesntLose [-\]: That's what happens when you try to run computer software on a bag of meat
martin97 [-\]: actually he just got something no?
kjh97 [8d\]: lol what is b doing..
EGF1 [?\]: last period for w
]
;W[qd]
;B[mi]C[kjh97 [8d\]: w is fine
Welvang [7d\]: wow Mateusz work it out again
Welvang [7d\]: but semeai downstair
Warfreak2 [-\]: the surmanator
]
;W[pg]C[Welvang [7d\]: probably not working
bigwave [8k\]: B is squeezing  and semedori and losing finally 
kjh97 [8d\]: oh wait
Welvang [7d\]: what
kjh97 [8d\]: what
Welvang [7d\]: why q13
Shuei [4d\]: p8
]
;B[ol]C[Welvang [7d\]: dayum
Shuei [4d\]: ^^
]
;W[nl]C[kjh97 [8d\]: huh
DoesntLose [-\]: w+komi or so
ben0 [6d\]: omagad
ben0 [6d\]: haha
nidza92 [-\]: lives on the side with s9?
]
;B[nm]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: this looks like b suiciding with m7 stones
]
;W[pl]C[ZeNit [?\]: does the magic work?
kjh97 [8d\]: ah i see
]
;B[lk]C[Shuei [4d\]: no idea
USSR1991 [4d\]: lol
]
;W[ol]C[DoesntLose [-\]: w lives here
Shuei [4d\]: but only moves
ben0 [6d\]: too bad it doesnt work
DoesntLose [-\]: Black dies at Q10
leachy [1k\]: q13 was what i thought looked a good move next for black but i didn't think it worked
USSR1991 [4d\]: black shortage
]
;B[li]C[ben0 [6d\]: but that was fun
ZeNit [?\]: oooh
nidza92 [-\]: s9 waas living now for b?
ctdogpdf: whatashape!
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;W[rj]C[kjh97 [8d\]: but still weird why not q12
DoesntLose [-\]: wS10
leachy [1k\]: B+res
leachy [1k\]: :)
TheThe [4k\]: this looks like a captain game now
kjh97 [8d\]: i guess no diff
leachy [1k\]: maybe not
DoesntLose [-\]: b had no choice
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;B[ri]C[DoesntLose [-\]: b couldn't finish off wS8
Muttley [-\]: claggy
ben0 [6d\]: now time to kill the center
ben0 [6d\]: easy
Shuei [4d\]: this game has became a KGS blitz game lol
leachy [1k\]: just felt good saying that
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;W[rk]C[ZeNit [?\]: white's ok...? I think o.O
USSR1991 [4d\]: white alive
leachy [1k\]: no...my blitz games with 10 moves each minute are much more tame and slow
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;B[hh]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Haha Shuei
bigwave [8k\]: k17?
USSR1991 [4d\]: j1
ZeNit [?\]: oh yeah, plenty of liberties
Shuei [4d\]: n15
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;W[kb]C[ben0 [6d\]: well connecting that is the losing move
Shuei [4d\]: over
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;B[le]C[kjh97 [8d\]: b suicides then proceeds to connect one stone lol
bigwave [8k\]: L18 was better for B 
DoesntLose [-\]: More liberties than the 1776 Declaration of Independence
bigwave [8k\]: these moves are impossible 
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;W[me]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: well
nidza92 [-\]: which connect ben
bigwave [8k\]: B should resign
USSR1991 [4d\]: time pressure
USSR1991 [4d\]: and psychological pressure
ben0 [6d\]: h12
USSR1991 [4d\]: for throwing the game
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;B[md]C[bigwave [8k\]: and retire
USSR1991 [4d\]: tilting
DoesntLose [-\]: 2x30sec byo-yomi isn't extreme time pressure. But it's a big tournament
Shuei [4d\]: too far DoesntLose
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;W[mf]
;B[mg]
;W[lf]C[ben0 [6d\]: well anyway, b lost the game when he played o3
USSR1991 [4d\]: if you play on tilt, your moves get less accurate
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;B[ne]C[DoesntLose [-\]: w lost the game when he played wR2
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;W[eq]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Then he won starting in early, early yose
Shuei [4d\]: B trying to resign in an honorable way
ZeNit [?\]: and black lost it again with j12 :)
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;B[lc]
;W[kd]
;B[er]C[Uberdude [6d\]: https://imgur.com/a/U271NXt
bigwave [8k\]: already late to resign in a hinorable way, already messy stuff
ctdogpdf: the only honorable way is seppuku
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;W[ca]C[Uberdude [6d\]: the LZ 207 winrate for this game
comments1: Yes but B lost when he played h12 
ctdogpdf: now b will spread his intestines on the board
comments1: oops, I mean H11
DoesntLose [-\]: EGF1 - Is there a link to this tournament bracket? I want to see if this is the last game, how many games left, etc.
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;B[jb]
;W[jc]C[bigwave [8k\]: how to open links here?
DoesntLose [-\]: UberDude - Very nice graph
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;B[ib]C[DoesntLose [-\]: bigwave - Double click
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;W[fe]C[Shuei [4d\]: ctrl c ctrl v
bigwave [8k\]: doesn't work for me
Hermes [7k\]: links dont work here
miaoDD: huh
Hermes [7k\]: copy
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;B[ee]
;W[ff]C[miaoDD: what is happening
miaoDD: why
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;B[ef]
;W[fg]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: what
ben0 [6d\]: just imagine a camel shaped graph
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;B[hf]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Tromp-Taylor rules. They have to play until all free spaces are occupied
sunone [3k\]: what does that graph say?
miaoDD: m18 is huge
Muttley [-\]: being ridden over cobblestones
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;W[ie]C[goreon [2d\]: https://go-jena.de/turniere/europeangrandprix-c-bonus-points-tournament-2019/   trounament link. no results I guess
DoesntLose [-\]: goreon - Thanks a ton
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;B[be]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: interesting
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;W[ce]C[bert [?\]: the camel should head right
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;B[bd]C[DoesntLose [-\]: https://go-jena.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/IMG_20190309_152816.jpg
DoesntLose [-\]: This game is at the farthest upper right
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;W[da]C[JustHrew [2d\]: Is Surma tilting?
USSR1991 [4d\]: lol
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;B[eb]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Oh, Manja Marz is in this tournament. She played against Leela Zero in a livestreamed game
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;W[dn]C[ben0 [6d\]: surma never tilts
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;B[ej]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: are you sure?
ctdogpdf: this ko so big
Muttley [-\]: ko
USSR1991 [4d\]: everyone tilts
elohimmeth [2d\]: oops
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;W[gj]
;B[hj]
;W[dj]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Even LZ tilts
bigwave [8k\]: B is humiliated 
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;B[dm]
;W[kl]C[ZeNit [?\]: And Alpha Go tilted too
Uberdude [6d\]: this game makes me losing the cambridge tournament yesterday with similar endgame mess up feel not so bad
DoesntLose [-\]: Let he who has never played out a lost game too far, cast the first go stone
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;B[ll]
;W[dn]C[ctdogpdf: so many threats
Warfreak2 [-\]: who won?
comments1: we are casting stones no matter what
Muttley [-\]: w
Warfreak2 [-\]: (in cambridge)
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;B[fk]C[leachy [1k\]: you think it's lost because you're using software....the players, who've blitzed the last 50 moves or more have no idea
]
;W[fj]
;B[dm]C[bigwave [8k\]: f8!
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;W[is]C[Muttley [-\]: I think w won because ko
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;B[fl]C[ctdogpdf: lol
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;W[ej]C[DoesntLose [-\]: 2x30sec is surely enough time for an EGF 1p to know the score
Muttley [-\]: software not required
ctdogpdf: dont you count while you play ?
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;B[dn]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: 30s is very short 
USSR1991 [4d\]: should be 60s
Hermes [7k\]: what is counting
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;W[lb]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Mateusz Surma is fine to play this out if he wants
Uberdude [6d\]: a chinese cambridge student 4-5d
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;B[mc]
;W[kc]C[leachy [1k\]: that assumes that counting the score at this late stage will help....you're too busy finding and evaluating ko threats and endgame moves
ZeNit [?\]: you don't even necessarily have to count, just understand who made the worse mistakes
DoesntLose [-\]: Uberdude - Neat that you're getting such strong players at a university-sited tournament
]
;B[ba]
;W[aa]
;B[gb]C[USSR1991 [4d\]: dude you have been counting whole game and adjusting after every settled position so you have a pretty good estimate on the points
Uberdude [6d\]: you expect weaker players in a university city?
bert [?\]: i wonder if they speak english in chinese cambridge
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;W[sl]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: the first time i played in the cambridge tournament, it was won by oysy, kgs 9d
hfdtd [1k\]: Why G18?
Uberdude [6d\]: chinese students are the usual way to get mystery high dans in tournaments
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;B[sj]C[DoesntLose [-\]: Lol
]
;W[sn]C[ZeNit [?\]: true 
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;B[rs]
;W[lh]C[dfeldmann [5d\]: play there for w and see :-)
]
;B[mh]
;W[sb]
;B[im]
;W[jm]C[JustHrew [2d\]: d16 is sente though
DoesntLose [-\]: It's fine if game goes to scoring, but both players definitely know who won and by roughly how much
EGF1 [?\]: black resigned
miaoDD: unbeliveable
leachy [1k\]: thanks, EGF1 :)
bigwave [8k\]: B should resign 50 moves ago 
DoesntLose [-\]: It was a tough game when black entered byo-yomi
JustHrew [2d\]: Thank you, EGF1!
elohimmeth [2d\]: w is winning really
DoesntLose [-\]: EGF1 - Thanks for relaying this game live, it was great for all of us
ZeNit [?\]: thanks EGF1
bert [?\]: thx
DoesntLose [-\]: EGF1 - When is the next game?
Uberdude [6d\]: thanks for broadcast, another exicting game
hvk [-\]: ?????
comments1: thank you
EGF1 [?\]: there is no next game
EGF1 [?\]: this was the final
EGF1 [?\]: thank you everyone for watching
DoesntLose [-\]: EGF1 - Thank you guys for always relaying these games, it's always valuable to us in the community
hvk [-\]: How did it end?
DoesntLose [8d\]: W+R
hvk [-\]: That's how he surrendered?
USSR1991 [4d\]: black resign after being way ahead. A series of overplays and going way too deep into enemy territory
gacua [3k\]: white is winning 75 vs black 60
gruvik [2k\]: im so fool why b resigned? i dont get it
Uberdude [6d\]: white has more points
gruvik [2k\]: is not e10 dead?
Uberdude [6d\]: no
hvk [-\]: OK TX 
hvk [-\]: GG
Uberdude [6d\]: it has 2 eyes at top left
gruvik [2k\]: oooh hahaha yea yea sorry
USSR1991 [4d\]: black was way ahead until he decided to make move 109 and then falling under the pressure of the attack
indianayk [3d\]: where did it go wrong to b? the fight in the left?
USSR1991 [4d\]: idk, he was certain to win according to LZ, but then he started giving ground after move 109, white just kept gaining and gaining
hvk [-\]: W 14 
indianayk [3d\]: how could u goback to 109 in this game?
USSR1991 [4d\]: then move 181 he made a deep invasion 
USSR1991 [4d\]: and got killed, 
USSR1991 [4d\]: and lost game by 15pts
USSR1991 [4d\]: before 181, game might still be even
USSR1991 [4d\]: view offline or clone
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